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MRT Update: Public Feedback on MRT looks interesting (Update #7)

  • Updated with more letters!
  • See the latest letter from Sulaiman Hood of TTDI here!
  • See the response from the Pro-Tem Committee set up by the TTDI Resident’s Association at this posting!
  • Updated with more letters and articles!
  • Updates with a good letter from Sulaiman Hood of TTDI!

TRANSIT had been following the MRT project proposals for a long time.

We were there when the MRT was actually an LRT, and only from Kota Damansara to Cheras. We took note when Prasarana proposed the extensions to Sg. Buloh and Kajang, and cheered when we first heard that the line would be built to MRT capacity (though the actual details about the trains was unclear).

Graphic from The Star showing the latest unofficial proposal for the Sg. Buloh - Kajang MRT line. Of course, nothing is official until the 3 months public display begins.

Click here for a larger version of the image above.

When Prime Minister Najib recently commented (in December 2010) that the MRT would (should) start construction in July 2011, we were concerned because all the “can do” talk about getting the MRT project underway seemed like it was glossing over some very important facts like:

  • The railways act requires a 3 month public display for any railways scheme;
  • The support of the public for government projects was not assured, and;
  • Back in September 2009, the Kelana Jaya and Ampang LRT line extensions were projected to start in April 2010, but to date construction has not really started yet

Now, some people think that we at TRANSIT are overly critical. To be frank, we are critical, but not unfairly so. We are critical because we want to ask tough questions, to ensure that our public transport system can stand up to all the challenges that it can and will face.

We are critical because we are realistic and because we want the best public transport system, not just one that “gets by”.

So imagine our interest when we learned that the Land Public Transport Commission was holding “briefings” with the public and the business communities in Petaling Jaya – well before the anticipated start of the 3 month public display (which has been projected to begin in March 2011 and finish at the end of May 2011).

Now, we do have to wonder why the Land Public Transport Commission would hold separate briefings for the public and the business communities – our view is that everyone should come together and express their concerns in the same forum (actually, in repeated forums held in the same area).

Not only does it save time, it ensures that all stakeholders are aware of the issues, comments and concerns that they all have.

What is highly interesting is that the business community appears to be in favour of the MRT line, while the Residents’ Association of TTDI expressed their concerns and suggested that they would be okay if the line bypassed them (assuming it could not be built underground).

What has been learned from the briefing with business leaders so far is that:

  • Business leaders want the MRT stations to be located close to the centre of commercial activity, in some cases where they have projects or plan to build one;
  • A source from property developer See Hoy Chan Bhd. (Damansara Uptown) said the company is “willing to ‘adopt’ a station” – presumably, to have a station in Damansara Uptown (which may be bypassed by the current proposal);
  • See Hoy Chan Holdings (Bandar Utama) The source also said that there would be strong support for putting the line underground from Kota Damansara to Bandar Utama station;
  • See Hoy Chan Holdings is willing to offer the Bandar Utama Central Park site for an underground station; TRANSIT: The site is ‘centrally’ located and has an underground link to 1Utama (with lots of nearby parking) but having the station underground would depend on the route!
  • The owners of See Hoy Chan Bhd. and See Hoy Chan Holdings are cousins; TRANSIT: It’s not public transport related but it is certainly interesting!
  • Ngian Siew Siong, Managing Director of Property Development of Sunway City Berhad, (and also Sunway Damansara resident association representative) appealed to Land Public Transport Commission (LPTC) to have the line go underground in the Kota Damansara area.

From the resident’s briefing (in TTDI) we learned that:

  • residents living near or adjacent to the proposed lines have voiced objection against the MRT tracks being built above ground and want the lines and stations to be underground so as to avoid congestion and noise pollution issues.
  • The spokesperson from the TTDI Residents’ Association says they are okay to have the MRT bypass their area if it cannot be underground;
  • In response, Sulaiman Hood writes that the majority of TTDI residents want the MRT; TRANSIT: See the full text of the letter at the end of this post!
  • A RA representative from Sunway Damansara said the landscape of some areas including Persiaran Surian would be affected by the sheer size of the pillars and the elevated track and that the noise would be unbearable; TRANSIT: as compared to merely annoying” for the LRT.

Questions that were asked by TRANSIT’s representative included:

  • Coordination of various transportation operators. Cited transportation model around the world; that public transport is operated by a Public Transport Body; giving Melbourne as an example. SPAD had only indicated that there will be a “common ticketing system”.
  • Suggest SPAD to look into the connectivity, scheduling and pricing of the whole system after they responded that they will have a “common ticketing system”.
    To ensure that disable facilities are there as only one service lift is available. What happened if the service is out of order? SPAD responded that there will be a station staff to assist.
  • Queries about the amount of 0.2 mil cars will be taken off the road per day when this line is in operation. How they derived to this figure, Mr. Gurmit (Singh of CETDEM) also wished to know how they calculated the figure? SPAD & ERE (Consultant) will get back to TRANSIT on how the figure is derived.
  • Since the alignment of the line will be placed right on LDP (Bandar Utama) and Sprint Link (all the way to Duta) will there be any guideline to ensure that it is not pasted with advertisements that can distract drivers such as the once in Jalan Sultan Ismail. SPAD responded that advertising will be one of the revenue stream to ensure the sustainability of the project (not in verbatim). However, will comply with all local authority guidelines (on billboards adverts).

Issues raised by others:

  • What energy efficiency study had been done for this MRT and the data?
  • JPS asked SPAD to focus on the rivers – SPAD responded that there will be no construction directly on the river.
  • Traffic & Parking – to allocate ample parking; unlike present system where only the last station have parking facilities.
  • Gurmit (Singh, of CETDEM) raised whether the MRT allows Bicycle usage during peak hours.
  • Noise level – maintenance to avoid squeaking sound such as the ones
    from LRT in PJ.

Technical information that we learned includes:

  • the MRT would have 50% more carrying capacity than the LRT line and will also be 50% wider. One car train carrying capacity is equivalent to three buses, or that of 177 cars. TRANSIT: Actually, we aren’t really sure what that set of sentences means. Can anyone make sense of it? Are they saying that MRT trains would be wider than LRT and each carriage can carry 180+ people
  • A public transport ‘specialist’ was quoted as saying “Let us learn from the mistakes of the Light Rail Transit and the Star line.”; TRANSIT: Ok, it is not technical but it is very important!


Our concerns about the MRT project continue to be strong, but we can say that we are glad to have the public briefing and look forward to more discussion and feedback.

Based on the results of the current discussion, it seems pretty clear that there is a desire for the LRT to be underground along Persiaran Surian in Kota Damansara and within Bandar Utama. While the it is unlikely that the MRT will be underground in the “newer” parts of Kota Damansara, it might be possible in the area east of the NKVE.

The proposal from See Hoy Chan Holdings for a station under Central Park in Bandar Utama is an interesting one. It would be possible to build in this manner if a tunnel is constructed under Persiaran Surian, and there is an existing bus terminal and parking lot north of Central Park. However, if the line is underground under Central Park it would have to continue underground under the LDP and through TTDI – unless See Hoy Chan Holdings was willing to give up their land just south of Sri Pentas (TV3, NTV7, 8TV, and TV9) to allow for the tunnel’s entry/exit portal. If that were possible, the MRT could be built above the LDP and Sprint Highway, which would allow for a station at Tropicana/Damansara Utama without disturbing the TTDI residents.

Another alternative would be to use the parking lot space to the north of 1Utama for the MRT guideway and station – it would certainly be interesting to see if golfers at the Bandar Utama driving range would use the MRT as a target. However, we can imagine that this alignment would not be popular with TTDI residents (although it might be popular with golfers).

We will provide additional feedback and we are looking to discuss with SPAD about the possible alignments for the MRT based on communities that want to be served.

One last note: we have seen public transport projects amortized (meaning that the payment period is spread out) over periods of 50 and 100 years – but our basic calculations are showing that it will take more than 150 years to pay of the MRT – perhaps 200 years if there are any cost overruns (as we anticipate there will be).

Majority of TTDI residents supportive of MRT project (The Star)
18 January 2011

I REFER to “Residents are against MRT project” (Sunday Star, Jan 16). I was at that dialogue organised by Suruhanjaya Pengangkutan Darat Awam (SPAD) not only for residents of Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI) but also of Kota Damansara, Sg Buloh and Bandar Utama.

A handful of people loudly objected to the project while the rest were supportive, but want the project to be planned thoroughly to avoid past mistakes.

A resident of TTDI for the past 12 years, I use public transport to go to work every day. Although I own a car, it is too expensive for me to drive everyday, and I also do not want to contribute to the traffic congestion.

I suffer daily on the buses, which are never regular, and endure the slow journey to Kuala Lumpur on the congested LDP and Jalan Damansara.

It takes me more than an hour to reach my office in the morning and more than 90 minutes to get home in the evening.

By the time I am home, I am simply too tired to do anything, much less spend quality time with my family. So when the Government announced the MRT project, I was very happy that I may finally be able to commute to work easily and have more time with my family.

Many people in TTDI want good public transport and want the MRT to go near their areas. A few rich and selfish people are objecting because they can afford to drive and are worried for their properties.

The Government should not ignore the large majority who want the MRT project. I hope Spad will listen to the silent majority.

Kuala Lumpur.


Again, the majority of the public and members of TRANSIT support public transport improvements and give guarded support to the MRT project – but are not 100% happy with the way it was introduced and may be pushed through over the reasonable objections of members of the public.

The other factor that must be considered is that the MRT will improve things tomorrow, but what about today? Sulaiman writes that he suffers daily (presumably for the 12 years in which he has lived in TTDI). Must he be forced to suffer for another 5 years while the MRT is constructed?

Does the government seriously believe that ‘hope’ is enough to ease the suffering that he and so many other public transport users are dealing with?

We at TRANSIT wonder why the government would put ‘hope for a better tomorrow’ as the foremost of their solutions for public transport – rather than ‘action to improve the buses today’

Additional Feedback on the MRT project:

45 replies on “MRT Update: Public Feedback on MRT looks interesting (Update #7)”

Didn’t anyone notice that at least 80% of SPAD visit to MTR system in Hong Kong is about how to minimise the cost and maximized the profit of MRT and how to optimize the utilization of any spaces in/around MRT station commercially to get the most profit out of it?? They hardly mentioned about the wellbeings and the benefits of the passengers/customers/consumers. All they think about is MONEY, MONEY, MONEY and of course PROFIT!!! I think the new MRT project will become another de facto horrible lrt system like what we have now. I hope the SPAD and the government really knows what they are doing.

Interesting. I’ve always said that for that corridor, LRT is still a better option; anyway, STAR-sized trains are almost MRT-sized. Nothing wrong with them, right?

I have severe misgivings over planning, execution and the gauge.

Planning and execution are obvious.

Gauge not so much. I mean, why are we blowing so much money just so it can be MRT-sized? There isn’t much advantage to being 11′ wide as opposed to 9’6″ with longer trains.

I suspect a number of aspects are thinly-veiled pocket-padding, including the decision to build it to full MRT size ala Singapore. Tunnels and viaducts will have to be wider, heavier and thus more expensive.

We don’t need that kind of capacity. We ought to focus on using notably lighter infrastructure, maximise its use, and produce an equivalent result for lower cost.

Hi @Chia

There is no question that the rail gauge will be 1435mm.

As always, TRANSIT’s primary concern is capacity and costs, not one particular technology over the other. MRT systems have higher potential maximum carrying capacity as compared to LRT systems – even higher frequency LRT with longer trainsets.

The obvious question is whether that capacity is needed and we need numbers to justify any comments we make (either way).

Unfortunately, SPAD and the consultant have not been forthcoming with their projections for carrying capacity of the line in the next 10, 30, and 50 years. Similarly, we do not know how much ‘extra’ is being spent on ‘building MRT’ as opposed to how much ‘extra’ is going to be spent on other … err… ‘leakages’ that are going to happen with the project.

Frankly, TRANSIT needs public feedback about the MRT project to get into the media – traditional broadcast, narrowcast (online) and social – so the different perspectives and ideas and comments and concerns are discussed and addressed.

So write a letter, blog post, facebook post etc. and get your perspectives and concerns out in the open.

Regards, moaz for TRANSIT

I live in TTDI and I am NOT from the selfish minority with their multiple cars in their bungalow carports. The hide of this group DO NOT speak for most TTDI. When they stated in the newspaper that the MRT would create traffic chaos…I would like to know the logic behind that!.
TTDI is full of cars and the wealthy wouldnt use public transport because they think it is beneath them. Their choice but drag yourselves into the developed world and see that public transport is the future to help stop jams and air pollution. These same people are the very ones who double and triple park outside TTDI shopping strips. Recently a guy in the BMW parked directly in front of the main bus stop in TTDI near the Vads building. As I was waiting for a bus I said “Excuse me but this is the bus stop” He replied oh-so arrogantly “SO what! Who cares” …I CARE and you hold up the bus who holds up the rest of the traffic and passengers have to walk out into the middle of the road to alight. This is the attitude of the minority of TTDI people. Their other argument was that it would lower the value of their property!! Go to Singapore and see for yourself that it is an added advantage for your property to be of walking distance to the MRT!! The opposers need to take off their self-centred, tunnel-vision glasses and help make Malaysia a first world country. A world class public transport system will help make it so.

hi @Gordon

Thanks very much for your feedback.

Generally, we expect that the residents who raised their objections are concerned about indiscriminate parking from ‘park & ride’ public transport users – likely because they would probably do the same.

Their concerns are also likely to be based on speculation about the impact of construction – noise and dust, traffic congestion, the presence of construction workers, etc.

As we said in response to Sulaiman’s lecture, we support the MRT but we want to see improvements to public transport in the next 5 years while the MRT is being constructed.

And that includes enforcement at bus stops.

Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

I agree and symphathise entirely with Gordon.

Moaz, I mean loading gauge, not rail gauge; as in how wide the tunnels, viaducts and trains are. 1435mm is a no-brainer.

I argue that an 8-car LRT train is more efficient than a 6-car MRT train on the grounds that it has more doors and more length for less with. This results in more surface area interacting with the platform; thus, the exchange of humans is more efficient.

If they run the same frequency, MRT naturally will carry more.

I’m mainly concerned with cost of the structures, for which MRT is higher. Also, the visual impact is greater.

*wink* to “leakages”…

Hi Chia

May I suggest (again) that you join the public debate now that the MRT is entering the public consciousness and feedback is being presented.

If you are interested in sending direct feedback to Prasarana and SPAD, please let us know. I am confident that representatives of those organizations are reading the discussion regularly and would appreciate getting some feedback directly from you.

Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

I went to SPAD situated at 19th floor, Sentral 1 building in early January 2011 and met a Chinese guy. His name is Shen Li from Communication Department. I had a long talk with him, I conveyed a complaint about taxi too.

Lee Kuan Yew said he can has his historical house demolished. Singapore always comes into the picture when promoting the MRT. People who promotes the MRT would always fit in something Singaporean to give marvelous predictions about how nice the MRT is going to be as it just going to be as the ones in Singapore. Who does not know how good the Singapore MRT is? So if the MRT runs passed my house and later the rojak and cendol man wants to combine with the Genting Bus to occupy the land and when and if I protest that my house must not be demolished with it, then people of “Singapore Ancestry” would say “If Lee Kuan Yew can let historical house be demolished, why can you and you are not even Lee Kuan Yew!” Guess I have to give way then. Please tell me where to head for the protest of the MRT, Moaz. .

LKY said he can has his historical house demolished. Singapore always comes into the picture when promoting the MRT. People who promotes the MRT would always fit in something Singaporean to give marvelous predictions about how nice the MRT is going to be as it is just going to be as the ones in Singapore. Who does not know how good the Singapore MRT is? So if the MRT runs passed my house and later the rojak and cendol man wants to combine with the Genting Bus to occupy the land and when and if I protest that my house must not be demolished with it, then people of “Singapore Ancestry” would say “IF LKY can let his historical house be demolished, why can’t you and you are not even LKY!” Guess I have to give way, then. Please tell me where to head for the protest of the MRT, Moaz.

Moaz. hi! I am sorry I retyped the message again. I thought I made a lot of mistakes.
see that my house should be demolished or not once the MRT is built, then I have to seek Connie’s help, my Singaporean cousin if she wants a divorce and marries his son. If that gives Singaporean a sense of security and not keep on promoting the MRT at my expense in Kuala Lumpur. Is that fine with you, Chia, Gordon and others? Connie is a very beautiful, intelligent retired SIA air stewardess
without any children. MRT supporters, can you please reply if you like the idea so that we can start the promotion of bus services instead. Thank you.

Again, Selfish me,

Dear MRT Supporters,

MRT is only a temporary solution to resolve traffic woes around the KL vicinity. Malaysia is not Singapore, I repeat Malaysia is not Singapore and other cities in Malaysia should also have MRT and if KL gets one without considering the imbalance situation happening, it should pose threat to becomes a serious problem. Well, Sarawak didn’t get any money to build and repair their transportation? How would the political affairs be if everything is being centered in Kuala Lumpur via the MRT? Congestions, illegal parkings and interefence of o172559532


Oh, dear!
….I mean ‘Congestions, illegal parkings and interference of foreign and local evil elements such as all one can think of in a free trade world’. Not 0172559523. It is my h/p (oops, guess I must be dreaming). Thanks.

Sam, go write a letter to the papers, like I did about double-deckers for Penang.

When I have more time and a less laggy computer I’ll write one about the MRT, laying out very clearly what I consider workable and not workable, and of course, my ultimate preference.

Anyway, how the heck does LKY’s house come into this discussion? I mean, sure, it’s nice, but…

Mr LP Chia,
Are you really a lower six student? You sound very very mature to be in your teens. My little brother, a once preservation of old buildings architect student in UK is decades old but he is really not mature as you are. I told him to come home and help serve the nation in the field of urban planning but he insists to be based in Singapore and Hong Kong to serve in China instead. He is now settled down in Singapore although holding a Malaysian passport.
How I wish he is as mature as you are helping Moaz or Transit to give ideas. You know, my parents worked so hard to pay for his architectural studies and we can’t even depend as much as we like to on his income to survive in KL as each time he withdraws money for the family, there is bound to be problem with the services of the bank. Can you imagine the HSBC HQ in Hong Kong had to call us in Malaysia to settle his money, I don’t know whether coming in or going out when he came home. I hope he is really taking in the experience
he got in China’s developments. If not, it is really a waste of my parents effort to send him for further studies as Singapore has been trying to offer him citizenship long time ago. So, I really hope LKY would let him go and not abuse his powers to encourage the MRT meant for more foreigners, especially Singaporeans to venture the city freely as they do in Singapore. Thanks for not being so dominating in your notes. Thank you.

Why, thank you for calling me mature. I got the same response from many other people on other forums.

Sadly, your brother might end up becoming Singaporean. The bright side is that your parents can go live with him there.

Mr Chia
Please, please come and visit us at The Taman Bahagia Station. You can talk to my parents. My father is 76, my mother is 72. We love to have a very special “Singaporean Guest”. I would join in my parents to welcome you. I am a post-graduate student of UKM (The National University of Malaysia). Maybe I can serve you some Kuala Lumpur food. Just sms me the above no. to tell us when you are coming. If you stand at the main gate of The Station, please look across the road and you will see a grey gate facing the station. It is very obvious. It is no.9. Hai! Selamat Datang, Encik Chia!
Warmest Luv & Regards
Kt Sam

Dear Encik Chia,
Thanks for replying. I have been waiting….Oh! I am so excited! Please drop in anytime when you pass, ya?
Just press the bell. If I am at out,… father is a very nice man. He can chat a lot about Singapore with you.
When he graduated from Chung Ling, his first job application was a translator in Singapore. Singapore rejected him. If not my parents would have settled down there and well, my kids should be, maybe in the Taiwan Army as my father has great love for the country because of her famous and beautiful songtresses. Like Teresa Teng, Lung Piao Piao, Sue Re, Tang Lan Hua, etc, etc.

Please, please do come. Okal? When you pass by Chau Yang.

Luv & Regards
Kt Sam

Encik Chia

I have to see you eye to eye. I can’t be talking to you like that. As you know and can see me while I can only imagine you with looks of “Garfield”. I shall switch off the laptop at 10.30 pm.

With loving thanks…..
Kt Sam

Encik Chia,

Just got your message.
Is it a date?
That is why I say you have to come see my parents.
Hai, Arrigator Gozaimaste!

With Luv
Me, Kt
Closing the laptop at 11.00pm

An advice for you Selfish Sam,

If you want your neighbourhood to be perfect, go and live in heaven. Even my neighbourhood around Jalan Genting Klang also have tonnes of traffic problems.

Dear Jeffrey

I don’t expect my area to be perfect, unless it has been bombed of the whole station and returned to its square one. Even then, how can we rebuild those houses again that once occupied the station. It is of course an unnecessary effort. I just wish the MRT trains do not have to pass by my area to reach Kelana Jaya. The present Lrt trains passing by the The Taman Bahagia Station have given us so much
heartaches. Here I go again: The illegal hawking,
the illegal parkings, the misused beautified bus stop, the daily traffic hub during peak hours, the simply parkings infront and at back of our house, the many passerbys of commutor riders, sometimes extremely noisy the trains are and the contaminated air from the passing vehicles that mopping the house once a day is not enough. Jeffrey, please do not make cry again. I have cried enough just now when I came out of The Chinese Embassy at Jalan Ampang. My relationship with them has given the train station a strong location impact and they cannot do anything to resolve the problems eventhough they claimed to be so powerful.

I hope you do not fall in the mind concept of a steel mind. Please try to see what I see if you are a patriotic Malaysian.

Thanks and to be selfish is because we are the only resident victims to have to bear all these woes which no individual would love her house to be so.

Patriotic Sam


Certainly along Jalan Damansara – but how much of that traffic congestion is due to the incomplete LDP interchange (and the traffic light) and how much of it is due to Jalan Damansara being a shortcut (and it will be even more of a short cut when the interchange is completed).

Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT


If I am given the time and access to the government departments, I can start plan an immediate bus system as soon as possible. To tell you frankly, I did go all the way to PM’s office, left a note to the secretary, Vimala some months ago, wrote to Dr Mahathir, etc but because people just take me for granted, nothing has been launched. People like you who has all the brains can only extract information but not assist to take action. Now, may I invite you again to go to Prasarana and see Mohktar Sharil. Would do that with me, Chia?

Reply soon.

KT Sam aka Selfish Sam, why do you think when Seoul, Beijing, Tokyo Olympic Games what did they did with the houses and residents around these areas?? Somebody has to sacrifice somehow when it come to critical and necessary developments. No doubts a lot of people protested but you can’t please everybody. But hopefully the MRT around your station will be underground and you don’t have to move, but if the geographical situation around your areas don’t allow underground stations, that’s too bad, somehow many people and many generations to come will be grateful to your enormous sacrifices and you will make yourself a great merit.

Jeffrey, that is a very interesting comment.

So, aside from giving the residents an opportunity to sacrifice (and gain merit), how else should a public transport user (or LRT/MRT project manager) show gratitude to the residents?

Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

Unfortunately, I’m right. The recent attained by Malaysia in the ranking of illicit money outflows (USD291 billion++) further proven my points. With that money, all the major cities in Malaysia can build underground systems and buck up their public transports without financial problems at all.

Hi Jeffrey

Good point – and it is also worth mentioning that we lose at least 1% of the GDP to congestion every year.

Can you provide a link on the list that you mentioned above? I’m sure many readers would be interested to learn more.

Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

Jeffry is right, in that we have to make sacrifices.

So long as the people are adequately compensated, it’s okay.

Hi Sharini

The link that you provided is not working.

Also, please indicate if you represent the TTDI Residents’ Association Pro-Tem Committee in any way.

We have no problem with you asking for people to sign your petition as long as it is legitimate.

TRANSIT viewers, please note that TRANSIT does not for or against the petition named above.

Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

Do consider about building a rail that connects to Puchong area. It is hard for people to travel without a single rail at that area. It is both hard for the owners who do not owns any form of transportation. It is crucial to consider about THIS issue.


The LRT extension from Sri Petaling will cover Puchong. However, TRANSIT has always preferred a direct route from Puchong to KL following the Jalan Puchong / Jalan Klang Lama / Jalan Syed Putra corridor.

With the plan for the extension of the KL Monorail supposedly going forward (though details are unknown) we may just see that link being built. Or maybe not.

Regards, Moaz for TRANSIT

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